Octopath Traveller 2 is remarkable in the sense that I've never seen a game that went so far out of its way to sabotage itself to no apparent benefit. The improved strength of character of the cast and the addictive gameplay fall way to the astoundingly bad story decisions and almost mean-spirited nature of the messages this game is trying to project. I haven't finished a single storyline- but I am 35 hours in and I am so incredibly tired of every single character. I will talk about the game itself and then give a quick overview of how the game handled each traveller's story.

The gameplay itself is as great as ever, it's incredibly fun and a fantastic modernization of typical jrpg combat. For most of the game, battles feel quick and satisfying, and the break mechanic is an entertaining strategy to play around. I love the additions of the dual-story chapters, which help to make your cast feel like friends and build their character. The game is still visually gorgeous, in fact my favorite parts of playing Octopath have been exploring all the various areas and just taking in how beautiful everything looks. It feels like you're wandering around a little diorama set.. like you're on a real adventure. That's easily my favorite thing in this game... which is sad, considering Octopath 2 refuses to let you skip or turn off random encounters. There's a skill or two that reduces the rate, but it's still really annoying when you just want to go for a walk, listening to the calming music but every 3 seconds you're forced into a battle. Escape is not guaranteed, which makes matters worse.

I also said that the gameplay is fun at first, but towards the end of your party's storyline it gets harder and harder to raise your level. I hate grinding, and you apparently have to grind a lot- I'm level 40 and every final boss has a recommended level of 45... but you should be comfortably above this because the final bosses of this game are an absolute disgrace. I've only done Throne's and Agnea's but they are frustrating. Agnea's takes forever and it's split into two parts, and your opponent can steal your party members? Two of them? She stole Hikari who I made into an absolute powerhouse, so I basically just lost in a way that didn't feel to be my fault, with 30 minutes of my time out the window. It's so demoralizing and to be honest, makes me feel like quitting.

But I could power through it if the story was good. It started strong but slowly snowballed into being just utterly irredeemable in my eyes. I will go character by character and dissect each story, but first let me say that I can really, really, really feel the Shinzo Abe influence in this game. The biggest fault Octopath 2 has for me is this: every character is somehow connected to a parent or is doing what they're doing for a parent. By everyone, I mean it even extends to NPCs. There is even a very morbid underlying message to the way this game conveys parenthood. The children in this game are treated as an extension of their parents, no exceptions. Your mom is a dancer? You want to be a dancer. Your dad is a baker? You're a baker. There are no bad families in this game.... in the characters eyes. Because even when a mother WHIPS AND BEATS children en masse, and raises them to be assassins, she still deserves forgiveness because she was nice a few times and she's your mother! I can not overlook this philosophy the game is insistent on pushing onto the player. And that extends to the forgiveness part too, someone could kidnap a child, drug her, tell her ailing mother she should just drop dead so he can capitalize on the town... but it's OK! He had everyone's best interest in mind, murder is bad and we should forgive him!

I will go into more issues on it this next segment but you can feel the old conservative Japanese man blood flowing through this game, and it's a real shame. It's obsession with procreation and their visions on autonomy turns this game into something of a disgrace to read through. Octopath 2 has really amazing female NPCs but unfortunately all that progress is reduced by the inherent misogyny this game presents.

Now onto the character plot break downs:

Hikari:
Of noble birth, Hikari wants to free his country from the oppressive rule of his brother and become a king that ushers in an era without bloodshed. A pretty basic tale... I actually like the character of Hikari a lot, but if you know anything about history, his entire story is impossible to take seriously. First off, his evil brother... this goes for all villains in this game, but they are cartoonishly wicked. With no depth at all, he wants to rule because he desires the world to be his. He also wants to call for every lowborn in his country to be executed. What? Even soldiers pick on the poor folk, but aren't soldiers barely above peasants if we are going off patriarchy? Even the most tyrannical of kings ushered in debt-wiping "clean slates" because they KNEW their kingdom rode on the back of the farmers and the slaves that built their buildings. You're just going to have a kingdom with only an upper-class? Who is going to do your work?? Everyone seems to go along with this without thinking and it's impossible to even give a shit when everyone's dancing around, showing off how evil they are. Hikari himself has a major flaw, which is that his "cursed blood" is just embarrassing to watch and I'd never say this about anything. It sucks. I will not get into the fact that Hikari wants a kingdom of equality... but still strives to be a king, and doesn't seem to have an interest in actually changing the hierarchy of their social classes.


Agnea:
The best story in the game by far, warm-hearted and Agnea is just fun to watch. It is still plagued by the fact that apparently no one in this world is capable of doing anything without their parent doing it first, but I enjoyed watching her grow as a person with her new friends, and I love Giselle.

Throne:
Her adventure started out so good, ended up so bad. I... have no words for her final chapter... just revolting. I thought Throne would be a character that broke the weird parent thing this game had going on, because her metaphorical parents were the ones keeping her chained, but apparently even abuse is not enough to warrant hating someone. Her big reveal basically crushed anything she had going for her- relying on her heritage yet again more than her personal accomplishments. And that final boss? Had nothing to do with Throne's story, nothing! It was so revolting and misogynistic. And not to mention unfun to fight.

Castti:
My starting character and one I generally liked... till everyone started calling her "mother hen" cause she's an apothecary, though that's her job. Her big reveal too was not written with much care. I haven't done her last chapter but I can't imagine how it can get worse. Spoilers- this game really said to me that even the man who randomly decided to massacre untold amounts of people deserves forgiveness. Is he supposed to be mentally ill? Because that is some poor writing. A healer spontaneously turned bad because "life is suffering so I'll just kill everyone to free them" is so childish.

Ochette:
This character is unforgivable. Where do I begin? To start with, she is a race of humanoid beast that is very, very clearly inspired by island indigenous people. Already off to a bad start, but of course they talk in broken English. Ok. Do you not get it yet? Apparently not because there's human colonists that liken them to "dogs who can barely speak" and wants to take their territory. I could maybe, maybe see any of this as something in good faith but they couldn't even do any research into indigenous societies at all. Not in the way they are socially organized, not in the way they treat people, not in their philosophies, not even something as simple as what- if any- economy do they have. Ochette, the saying of your tribe is "the weak are meat for the string to eat?" and if that's not all, you're a hunter that feels as if they have direct control over the 'balance' of the forest. And of course, she can hear the trees and all that shit. You have to TRADE meat with the shopkeeper, instead of just giving them coin, somehow even going more out of their way to be ignorant. I don't know if anyone told them this, but the concept of money and exchange doesn't persist in every society from every time and place ever. I could go on, but this character just spits in the face of native peoples. A native character would of been interesting! In fact, Haanit from the first game might of been a better example than this girl.

Temenos:
An interesting character with a humorous and alright storyline, held back by the fact that the mystery present in his path is not strong, therefore making the investigation segments come off as stupid. I'm only halfway through with him so I hope this doesn't end badly like the others

Partitio:
He is blatantly stated to be capitalist that wants to end poverty.... through capitalism. I don't know what to say to that.

Lion Guy:
Haven't even started him though I am not really interested, at this point.

I truly do not know why the first Octopath got so much backlash. It had some flaws, but unlike this game it was very simple and did not go out of its way to seemingly destroy what is a very good base premise for no real reason. How the stories are now all connected in 2 does not matter to me, because the way they are connected is really insulting and ruins the quality of each characters tale. I want to have fun with this game so badly, but each time I try to appreciate something, for one reason or another, it gets in my way. I love Octopath and I see the ways in which this game shines, but it is so dulled by its final acts.

It was between this game and a hitachi magic wand and I think I chose wrong. Thank you so much for reading!

Reviewed on Apr 09, 2023


65 Comments


1 year ago

@CURS @BlazingWaters I've never seen this guy before but that tracks
I haven't played this yet, so I didn't fully read your review (but I liked what I did read!).
Just wanted to say I agree completely with you about OT1! I thought it was a fun time to just play through each character's story, with the split in characters reminding me of a SaGa game -- so I didn't expect or miss any connections. It is ok for games to have a unique structure!

1 year ago

That's an interesting opinion, very different from what I usually read about the game. I agree with your incomprehension surrounding the first game and I admit Octopath Traveller II cast immediately felt too shiny for me. I liked the humility of the original characters. I'll see the themes of every arc when I'll start playing the game, I guess!

1 year ago

@CURS @BlazingWaters ugh! I try to hard to be nice and I still get people like this. That guy called me boring and racist AND dumb, it's like middle school all over again... I will admit I am very upset ): I don't know what to when people are mean

1 year ago

@rentheunclean thank you (: I really liked the unique structure too, it's weird to me how SaGa gets compared to OT1 a lot (usually as the better game) but none of the characters from that game have any interconnectivity either? At least from what I've played of Frontier. I just thought OT1 was fun for what it was :P

@Cadensia you're very intelligent cadensia so I would love to see what you think of OT2! And yeah.. I'm very sensitive to stuff like this in games so my opinions usually differ from everyone else's lol. I hope you end up agreeing with me at least somewhat or ill have to reconsider my knowledge haha
@moschidae it's really down to the "pick the role wherever you want" and open-ended form that gets compared/contrasted with, Frontier's a go-to due to it being sorta similar but the Romancing line of the series are a lot more about the mechanics and intrinsically involved gameplay systems than the writing stuff

1 year ago

"Trying hard to be cordial" as an opening statement to someone's review is the clearest indicator. They may as well have just opened with "I'm a self rightious prick and can't engage in discussion" it would have saved time.

Not seen them before but adding to the block list.
@CURS Yea we should compare them to Legend Of Mana instead due to their interpersonal hook instead of the grander narrative angle (I say, half-jokingly... I should really continue LoM)

1 year ago

@BlazingWaters ohh okay, I didn't know that. I've only ever seen people say stuff about SaGa like "octopath if it was good" but I didn't really get how it was better.

I want to check out the Romancing series but I know I'm just being tricked by the artwork and I'll probably hate it, cause I didn't like Frontier that much /:
In regards to people being rude it's best to ignore them mochi, or if they're anything like Parma just block them ASAP. I'm already struggling with my anger issues, I ain't got time to get into random spats that'll perpetuate those!

1 year ago

@moschidae: Eh, don't devalue yourself! If you felt uncomfortable due to some story threads, it's a fine concern to raise, especially since those themes were not in the first game – it was 'what is your family?' more than 'what does your blood say you are?'. On the 'Shinzo Abe' bit, a lot of people meme on the fact that the point is raised for anything in a Japanese video game. People often forget (or blissfully ignore) that Abe policies must be understood within a specific socio-political context and that he was not a pragmatic politician – for historical and personal reasons, he is somewhat the very opposite of German politicians like Merkel, who kind of pushed the CDU to the left –, as he structured his actions within a seemingly coherent ideology. I wrote a review for Xenoblade Chronicles 3, arguing that the story was specifically written in a post-Abe era.

And I believe, from what I read of your review (not everything, since I don't want to spoil myself), that we are dealing with something similar here. It's a new brand of conservatism that seeped – more or less voluntarily and consciously – into the Japanese cultural production and I think you are right in that respect.
@moschidae The way the Saga entries work are fairly different from one another, so I'd say try out RS1 - be it the Minstrel Song remake or the original's Game Boy release - for a feel and see where it ends up from there. They have a strong cult following for a reason, Akitoshi Kawazu is one of the most creatively endearing minds within Square's alumni.

1 year ago

@CURS (,: thanks for the advice and thanks for sticking up for me lol. I'll try my best to just block people from now on!

Also I liked OT1 so I can at least attest that the game is fun to play and very pretty. I think touhou is worth more of your time but if you ever wanna try it out, that's the one I'd recommend. Maybe I'll try SaGa again, is there a specific game you'd recommend?

@BlazingWaters thank you too, I'm happy to know that the guy was a shithead and it wasn't just me. Also you should totally finish LoM, love that game

1 year ago

@FallenGrace I know right? Like was what I wrote really that provocative that you had to actively hold yourself back from screaming at me lol. There was someone in here earlier talking with me about OT2 that didn't agree but they weren't calling me racist or anything, geez /:
the secret is that I actually spend more time researching and hearing a friend's fan opinion on the matter than actually spending the time playing it! agagagagagagagag

but fr, it's not really a series made for everyone, so don't feel too bad if you can't get into it.

1 year ago

@Cadensia oh thank you for that, admittedly I don't know as much about Japanese politics as you do so it's very relieving to hear that my claims aren't baseless. The post-abe thing was what I was referring to, because I can see it's effects but... I'm not very good with words, and I haven't dedicated a specific study into it, so I think there's better ways to voice my point. The way you described it was perfect though, especially the "structured his actions within a seemingly coherent ideology" part, my life would be much easier if I could articulate myself as well as you lol.

1 year ago

love this thread, can only nod along. i also wish to chime in and recommend makai toushi saga as a gateway to kawazu! final fantasy legend is perfectly fine on its own, but the wonderswan color presentation is imo a bit nicer. either way, i'd even say it's a key to understanding and enjoying games like romancing saga and saga frontier... (i'm in the same boat as @curs wrt octopath traveler. gotta at least give the first one an honest shot.)

1 year ago

@CURS scarlet grace is craaazy expensive for how it looks, I think it's 40 usd?? I'd pirate it but my dummy android isn't strong enough I think and my laptop died /:
thanks for takin the time to cheer me up, I think that guy must be miserable cause he doesn't have cool friends like all you guys :D

@BlazingWaters ok! I'll check it out and see if I like it [: Thanks for the advice even if you did turn into mr krabs for second

1 year ago

Sorry for sniping your comment, @CURS, ahah!

@moschidae: Keep writing about anything you want and words will come more easily at one point! I do have a very academic approach when writing, because that's a big part of my education and what I like doing, but you are obviously very fine with your own way of explaining things. I do believe that the goal is a positive emulation where everyone can give their insights, in order to get to a collective conclusion about said work!

1 year ago

I will probably never play either of these games because I think they just look very unappealing, but if I do I'm going to make sure to never have an opinion on them, cause hoo boy

1 year ago

@Weatherby I don't know what I expected from Square Enix fans lol

@zn0 ok, ill wishlist that game too. Hopefully I like them because I adore the SaGa artist, she's probably my favorite next to Ayami Kojima. And thank you for your comment earlier, gave me a chuckle

@Cadensia I appreciate that, ill definitely try to keep your words in mind <3

1 year ago

i simply refuse to play games where you hit someone and a number appears over their head. hope this adds meaningfully to the discussion

1 year ago

@CURS actually its 30 dollars I'm a huge liar but holy shit that overworld looks.... soo.... visual.

If I could pirate it I would tho, it looks cool. To be honest I'm still pissed I can't check out Shenmue, I was so excited for it too. Port every game to the switch so I can play, please Mr Nintendo..

1 year ago

Well they thankfully already had me blocked, saving me the trouble of having to deal with anything like that on my reviews.

1 year ago

@psychbomb Wise.

1 year ago

@pyschbomb I can't possibly argue with that
The Final Fantasy Legend games are SaGa, but they are much more like regular RPGs with some weird mechanics. Still fun enough, but not that indicative of the SaGa feel in my opinion -- not meant for replay, no open world, no character choices, etc...

SaGa games that stretch structure (like Octopath does) start with Romancing SaGa (Minstrel Song is the remake of that). Even though they are all good, they are honestly more interesting than really great and suffer from the problems you mention in your review of SF (uneven difficulty, uneven storytelling), that is all kind of part of the charm though.
Scarlet Grace Ambitions has a very strong battle system and is structurally similar to the RS games in terms of how open world they are. Of the ones I have played, I think it is the best and wouldn't be a bad choice if you are looking to check out SaGa.

1 year ago

@rentheunclean thanks for the input! I would of adored Frontier if it wasn't for the grinding and the weird difficulty spikes, so if I can emulate these games I feel like I would of had a blast and appreciated it more. I'll check out that game if I can (:

1 year ago

also i hate to double post but i think its immensely funny that they literally translated the yojijukugo of 弱肉強食 as "the weak are meat for the strong to eat" instead of the infinitely more common "survival of the fittest"

1 year ago

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