This remake takes everything that made the original game special and throws it all in the trash. Not only is the soundtrack worse (color your night and its going down now are the only better ones), but Tartarus, which was the only part that needed to get better (although I didn't find it boring in the original game), feels and plays worse because the floors are bigger and slower to go through and the enemies are too easy to fight and avoid, so, unlike in the original, I didn't feel the need to fight at all.
The overworld doesn't look interesting anymore, and all the atmosphere of the original is gone. I just feel like there are too many people, and that the isolated and lonely look that the city had in the original was better because it set the perfect tone for the story and its themes. The voice acting is worse, with Akihiko's voice sounding too deep (and in general, the whole cast sounding a bit worse, imo); the new in-engine cutscenes that replace the animated ones are executed badly and lack emotion, for example, the intro scene, which was, at least in my opinion, one of the best ones, gets ruined because of Yukari talking and ruining all the tension that was created in the old one.
I don't think I'll ever understand the hype for this remake since almost everything that it tries to improve was done better in the original game.
The overworld doesn't look interesting anymore, and all the atmosphere of the original is gone. I just feel like there are too many people, and that the isolated and lonely look that the city had in the original was better because it set the perfect tone for the story and its themes. The voice acting is worse, with Akihiko's voice sounding too deep (and in general, the whole cast sounding a bit worse, imo); the new in-engine cutscenes that replace the animated ones are executed badly and lack emotion, for example, the intro scene, which was, at least in my opinion, one of the best ones, gets ruined because of Yukari talking and ruining all the tension that was created in the old one.
I don't think I'll ever understand the hype for this remake since almost everything that it tries to improve was done better in the original game.
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my man
All due respect my brother, whenever people hype up lost atmosphere as a critique of a remake, I feel like it's a very fringe criticism that ignores the QOL improvements that more than made-up for that.
I haven't played either Persona, but I saw these same types of complaints lobbed at the Demon's Souls remake and it didn't really hold weight there.
If the voice acting is worse, though, then that's inexcusable.
I haven't played either Persona, but I saw these same types of complaints lobbed at the Demon's Souls remake and it didn't really hold weight there.
If the voice acting is worse, though, then that's inexcusable.
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@RedBackLoggd
I know that talking about atmosphere seems kinda stupid but imo is a really important part in a game like persona when you have to play for 100 hours in the same city, other than that i thought while playing that in general the QOL improvements weren’t that big of a deal, but there where of course good changes like the new UI.
I don’t actually think that this game is a bad one and that it can be a perfect first experience for anyone who wants to try out persona 3 but after playing the original i cant but complain about some changes that didn’t need to be made.
(this is just my opinion, i don’t mean to sound disrespectful or anything)
I know that talking about atmosphere seems kinda stupid but imo is a really important part in a game like persona when you have to play for 100 hours in the same city, other than that i thought while playing that in general the QOL improvements weren’t that big of a deal, but there where of course good changes like the new UI.
I don’t actually think that this game is a bad one and that it can be a perfect first experience for anyone who wants to try out persona 3 but after playing the original i cant but complain about some changes that didn’t need to be made.
(this is just my opinion, i don’t mean to sound disrespectful or anything)
Didn't take it disrespctfully at all - I definitely see what you're saying, though I do think if you're spending 100s of hours in a city, the atmosphere is PROBABLY gonna dissipate on its own haha.
I'll definitely play both versions at some point. For the record, I do agree with you that anytime something is universally praised, it's generally not as great as people are letting it on to be.
I'll definitely play both versions at some point. For the record, I do agree with you that anytime something is universally praised, it's generally not as great as people are letting it on to be.
@redbackloggd I'd argue the atmosphere is the best part of demon's souls, don't really love the game much but that was my favorite aspect (same with a lot of other people) which is why its understandable people would think the remake is worse
@redbackloggd also nah, from what ive heard a couple are slightly worse but characters like fuuka or shinjiro (who had pretty bad VA) are better
@NOWITSREYNTIME17 It's a valid perspective, but IMO what should make-or-break a video game recommendation is gameplay and QOL features. I feel people are less liable to caring for a title's atmosphere if the surrounding context is worse to play in.
@NOWITSREYNTIME17 and copy about the VA
@redbackloggd very much depends on the game, in that case the gameplay and qol is literally the same but the art design is a lot worse lol
@NOWITSREYNTIME17 I'm not gonna die on a hill for the games as I'm not a big Souls guys haha. My point was more-so that gameplay should always be prioritized and when people chastise a remake as worse solely using atmosphere as an argument, I think that's unquantifiable and therefore not a domineering part of the convo.
I just disagree then
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@RedBackLoggd
imo I can agree that gameplay should be prioritized when critiquing a game.But I also think that the atmosphere is a really big part of the original experience, so the remake should also be able, at least in part, to recreate that same feeling.
And reload, at least from what i think, fails in that regard.
imo I can agree that gameplay should be prioritized when critiquing a game.But I also think that the atmosphere is a really big part of the original experience, so the remake should also be able, at least in part, to recreate that same feeling.
And reload, at least from what i think, fails in that regard.
Yeah that's fair. Atmosphere is important as far as authenticity.
Just throwing it out there, as someone with similar nostalgic connection to FES: it was never that good, and the reamke shows that. Add fancy graphics and more streamlined gameplay, the game remains fundamentally mid. Now you have just buried your head up your own ass and pretend like the original game was this amazing masterpiece, using buzzwords like "atmosphere" and claiming that what was absolutely budget and hardware limitations were somehow special design choices, but the reality is that Persona, as a series, was never that good, and even entries with good story had shit gameplay. Hell, English dub was also always ass yet you still stretch it as some special relic, when actually you were supposed to act like a normal human and undub your shit. Time to grow up and finally play a better videogame instead of rotting in this eternally 16 y/o fanbase.
I never said that the original was a masterpiece tho, my rating of fes is 4 stars for a reason since i can see its flaws.
Also persona 3 fes was my first persona game and i played it for the first time like 2 months ago so i don’t have any nostalgia connected to it.
in the end its just my opinion and i can respect if you didn’t like the original, that doesn’t mean that i don’t have to like it either.
Also persona 3 fes was my first persona game and i played it for the first time like 2 months ago so i don’t have any nostalgia connected to it.
in the end its just my opinion and i can respect if you didn’t like the original, that doesn’t mean that i don’t have to like it either.
P3 was also my first game in the series, although I did play if way back in the day, in fact it was the first JRPG I really got invested in. I may have sounded too harsh, but in preparation to P3R I cleared the entire Persona series, all the games I had left over, and I realized the simple truth was that the game was never really that great. It's serviceable, and there's a good reason why 16 y/o me liked it, but I see no further reason trying to hype it up in modern day and age. Now you may have found that this game's now old rough PS2 charm is some special trait worth praising the game over, but really as someone who does have nostalgic feelings, I think you are looking for something that's clearly no longer there for the series. I found my satisfaction in 2D adult RPGs and VNs, you may find it somewhere else.
I really got invested in it too, that’s probably why i liked it so much, i can say tho that i haven’t played much jrpgs so maybe after playing more of them my opinion on P3 will change.
Im trying to get into the genre so any recommendations would be appreciated :)
Im trying to get into the genre so any recommendations would be appreciated :)
SevenForce
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